Ehh, no thanks |
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Yes, the Gunny is terrifying |
North Korea: lovely during the winter |
Above: Army Strong |
Actual Army Strong |
So, to summarize: The Coast Guard wasn't ever a real possibility and the USAF is hanging on by a thread, which leaves the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps as the primary branches of consideration to start out. I'm pumped - let's do this thing!
There is only one way to settle this in my estimation:
ReplyDeleteTom Cruise as Ron Kovic from Born on the Fourth of July will compete in a series of physical and intellectual challenges against Tom Cruise as Pete "Maverick" Mitchell. You will join the ranks of the victor.
Let me ask a few questions here, are you looking to go OCS or enlisted? You talk about making your PFT to get selected for OCS w/Marine Corps, but then you discuss the Army Enlistment Bonus as a motivation to go Army.
ReplyDeleteIn case you didnt just mistype that, ill point out that Officer's don't get an enlistment bonus... Not in any branch, because Officers don't enlist.
I went through Marine Corps OCS. Ill offer you any advice your are looking for, however I can say that you are on the right track with Marine's at the top of your list.
And one other thing man, the Marine Corps has a huge Aviation side to it... Its not just the Navy or Air Force. If you go to OCS for Marine Corps you can choose an Air Contract.......
ReplyDeleteHeya Neil. I was a little unclear there and a few times I bounced around from general benefits of the Army opposed to what I personally was considering. Chris had mentioned that you had done OCS with the Marines when I told him that I was looking into it a while ago - mad props to anyone that can hack it in Quantico.
ReplyDeleteWhile anything is possible and things can change, right now I'm shooting for OCS in one of the branches. Marine aviation would be excellent and that's probably my first choice at the moment (although a ground contract wouldn't be the end of the world).
Yah. Marine OCS is rough, but its also a lot of fun if you have the personality that fits. While I made it through, my knee gave out shortly after and I was not going to receive a commission. That shit happens, happened to about 40% of the guys I went through with. They have since moved away from as much running and more into obstacles.
ReplyDeleteIf you have good grades and a good PFT (above 260) you'll get your air contract. But your right, ground is not too bad, thats what I did.
Let me know if you have any questions, I have helped numerous people get accepted or answer questions in the past couple of years. Would love to provide any advice or info you might need.
Military service, while a great thing for the country, is also - personally - very rewarding, no matter which branch you join.
I appreciate the offer. I'd say the biggest unknown for me is judging leadership. It seems like something you can't prepare for in the same way as PT and other more concrete knowledge, which stands to reason. Since it's a core value for Marine officers, would you have any advice on any ways to prepare for the leadership aspect of OCS?
ReplyDeleteI'm also meeting my OSO for the first time this Friday. Do you have any advice on what sort of things to say in a first meeting? I know they've got a busy job and I'd hate to give him the impression that I'm wasting his time. Really any insight you can provide on OCS and the process would be awesome.
Ill try and help best I can. I would start by going to www.marineocs.com, if you haven't already. It is a forum for those getting ready to go to OCS and those who have been to share experiences and knowledge. I found it very helpful in my preparation.
ReplyDeleteThe main leadership roles that will affect your performance are during Small Unit Leadership Exercises (SULE's as they call them). You are in a fireteam (4 people from your squad) and each person takes turns being the leader of the fireteam, running various exercises where you will have to command the others to get a mission accomplished. They are short, generally, and the tasks are often difficult to accomplish.
The point is to see how well you communicate in the situation, and how well the others follow you. Not a lot of emphasis on actually accomplishing the task to 100% completion. There is not a great way to prepare for that. My main advice would be, if you go 2nd 3rd or 4th in the fireteam, to watch how the others do and build on their strengths/weaknesses. Also, cooperate with them well, and when you are they leader, they'll return the favor.
You'll also have a leadership role within the platoon, and the Gunny's/SSgt's will switch this up every couple of days. Sometimes you're in charge of everyone in the platoon or company, sometimes you might be a nobody (good chance to practice following orders). Good time to perform well...
You get a grade for performance on SULE, and the instructors write a report about you after doing a leadership role in the platoon/company.
My advice is, watch and learn from others. Pay attention in all of the classes (sleeping is punishable by death I think).
You're never wasting an OSO's time, they're jobs depend on talking to you and getting you onboard. Dress nicely, slacks and a button-up, as if it were an interview, he'll appreciate it. He'll ask you your primary motivations for joining, go through the benefits with you, and talk about OCS. Its all good stuff. They won't pressure like recruiters because you have to really want to be an officer... Thats why they also let you quit the program at anytime before commissioning.
Hope that is helpful. Fire away with any questions you have.